Hey,
Just dropping in to say hello.
About a month ago i was about 2 days late getting the MR2 i was after and bought a levin,but luckily the new owner contacted me wanting to do a part exchange so once he gets the log book its a go.
Think he was a member on here aswell

Heres a link to the car- cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1156594

Any extra info would be appreciated

Here's my last Toyota before the levin,Ive had 4 starlets in all,this would have been the one i spent the most money on (roughly 9k all in,excuse the layout,copy and paste) and done all the work bar the mapping myself,to say it was a learning experience is an understatement lol
Spec:
Engine and Fueling
TD04L Turbo
TD04 Stainless Downpipe - WEPR
TD04L Stainless Manifold WEPR
TD04L Actuator Custom Mounted
Autobhan Front Mount Intercooler
Custom Cold Air Feed
Scorpion Catback Exhaust
Ultra Racing Leads
Honda Civic Radiator
Oil Breather
Greddy Emanage Blue PiggyBack ECU located in Glove Box mapped by Mi16Chris
Forge MBC
Air Con Radiator/Piping/Pump removed

Handling and Brakes
Standard Front Strut Brace
Optional 3 Point Rear Strut Brace
K-Sport Coilovers
Mintex Front Brake Discs

Drivetrain
CAP Racing 4 Paddle Clutch with Racing Clutch Cover

Interior
Turbo Timer
Pillar Mounted Boost Guage
Sports Steering Wheel
Glanza OEM Leather Gear Knob
6x9's on the rear shelf

Exterior
Toms replica front bumper
15" STR (soon replica's) with two new toyo T1R's on the front and good pirelli dragos on the back.

Security
Sniper Alarm

At the flywheel (measured): 224.0 BHP
At the flywheel (corrected): 223.4 BHP
At the Wheels : 200.8 BHP
Power loss through wheels : 23.2 BHP
Ft Lbs of tourque : 198.7


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Hopefully all goes well and i get back into a turbo toyota

Dan

Welcome aboard Dan and good luck getting that 2, looks really clean and tidy and yes, the previous owner was a member on here and still is I believe. He's online occasionally.

Its a big change from a Starlet, you will be well impressed with the power. A turbo MR2 was 245BHP from factory! Take it easy at first, all that power in a rear wheel drive with the engine in middle is a recipe for a tail happy car, so get used to it nice and easy before pushing it.

Any questions, pop them up, no matter how small or silly they may seem. Lots of things about the 2 can catch out a new owner, even changing a bulb.

What part of the country are you in? I ask, as there are regular meets and mini meets.

SWAGGER wrote:
Welcome aboard Dan and good luck getting that 2, looks really clean and tidy and yes, the previous owner was a member on here and still is I believe. He's online occasionally.

Its a big change from a Starlet, you will be well impressed with the power. A turbo MR2 was 245BHP from factory! Take it easy at first, all that power in a rear wheel drive with the engine in middle is a recipe for a tail happy car, so get used to it nice and easy before pushing it.

Any questions, pop them up, no matter how small or silly they may seem. Lots of things about the 2 can catch out a new owner, even changing a bulb.

What part of the country are you in? I ask, as there are regular meets and mini meets.
Cheers for the welcome,

To be honest im hoping to just back to similar power,the GT weighed in at 850kgs with a big nct guy in it,so it was around the same if not a wee bit more than the MR" in respect of power to weight (sorry,im probably still a starlet person at heart lol)

But no,i completely understand where you are coming from,its one thing having that power in a FWD car that doesnt handle very well to having it in a RWD ,but to be honest i rarely drive hard,at most the odd burst to 60 or so,bishopscourt is where i have my fun

Im from Meath

Sure ill ask a few questions while im at it
What are they like handling wise(obviously not a TA car lol)?
Maintainence wise?
Fuel consumption wise?


Engine mods
Do they take well to boost or are the engine internals weak?
Could i fit the likes of a GT28RS to one(providing i had the correct fueling,downpipe etc) and see much gains?
What is the standard engine with the standard turbo with bolt on mods (FMIC,Standalone ECU,Injectors,exhaust,uprated header,plenium etc) good for?

Or,just whats the most tried and tested (and safe way) to get power from the non forged block?

Sorry,i like to do my research lol

Welcome to the site Dan, enjoy your stay and hopefully you pick up the car you want soon.

I am no turbo expert but AFAIK the Rev 3 1994+ 3SGTE will achieve 300 atfw bhp with the proper combination of exhaust, air to air intercooler, ebc and some mild additional boost.

Plenty of turbo experts will chime in soon. Tidy looking starlet you have there, looking forward to what you might achieve with the 3SGTE.

Welcome to the site

I think one of the cars from Jekyll and Hyde was running 440fwhp with just cams but on stock internals. Not that I'd recommend trying to get to 440 on stock internals !!

However, as slipsliderg said, 300whp (about 370-380fwhp) is achievable with bolt-ons and fuelling. As you know, not blowing up the engine is all down to good cooling (especially important in a MR layout) and good mapping

The 3SGTE is one of the toughest most tunable engines there are. Of course, as the boys have said, that does depend on uprating things like internals, turbo, IC, ECU, the usual stuff, but there are two's built up to 700BPH for drag racing, based on the standard 3SGTE block.

The MR2 is a very different car to your typical FWD, front engine layout. As Tiff Needel said, they have understeer then sudden snap oversteer, sometimes very sudden, depending on how hard you are driving. More so in the earlier ones, Rev1&2 as the brakes and suspension got a serious uprating from Rev3 on. They handle like an exotic, but at a fraction of the price. A fun car, you will be hooked from your first drive.

Welcome to the club, As Swagger said watch out for understeer and sudden snap oversteer, nearly hit the crash barriers myself a few weeks ago, you will probably notice slight fish tailing if you have too much revs pulling out onto a main road turning right or left, youre best off with a small warning rather than a big crash!

slipsliderg wrote:
Welcome to the site Dan, enjoy your stay and hopefully you pick up the car you want soon.

I am no turbo expert but AFAIK the Rev 3 1994+ 3SGTE will achieve 300 atfw bhp with the proper combination of exhaust, air to air intercooler, ebc and some mild additional boost.

Plenty of turbo experts will chime in soon. Tidy looking starlet you have there, looking forward to what you might achieve with the 3SGTE.
Thats very impressive for the standard internals,thanks for the info

You're gonna poop all over your Starlet buddies now!

@Quandry- Thanks
@Spidey- 440WHP sounds a bit mental for standard figures alright, when i was running the starlet i got to know a few jamacians,and without any special tools apart (they used there nails to put the pistons in,no ring compressors) and they're still building 300whp 5efte starlets,nut jobs lol

@Swagger- Haha,now your worrying me all about this swinging out of control,is it when you really push it,or if your just a tool and acting the bollox trying to "diff" it?
Ive been trying to read up on performance mods etc and i cant seem to find any build threads or anything similar,know of any?

@dshammrock- Cheers for the welcome,ill keep that in mind lol

SWAGGER wrote:
You're gonna poop all over your Starlet buddies now!

Most but not all lol
Spuddy up north is running a 5efte with a TD05 hybrid and N20 and made 423 FWHP before his final map,then in the UK some of the lads there are running similar power in an EP85 (4wd starlet converted to turbo)

Ill chase the slower ones lol

Oh,you might enjoy this
Its a 3sgte powered starlet build thread

www.toyotagtturbo.com/dynamics/showentry...?e=24962&catid=6

Here's some helpful links for you from this site.

Toyota-mr2-performance

Mr2-a-other-websites

Hope they help your search for info.

No, don't mean to worry you, it's how you drive it. I just want to make you aware that it is a different beast and needs a little respect is all. Its really how you drive it. You can bang around all day long with no problems, but if you get carried away without being used to RWD, and the pendulum effect of the mid mounted engine weight distribution, you can get caught out. If you are a decent pilot you will likely keep it under control and straighten it out, but a few people have good bangs for getting cocky.

I'm sure you will be fine. The snap oversteer was more common in the earlier models, Rev 1&2 (up to 94) but less common in the Rev 3+ (94 on) due to better handling. The earlier ones became notorious with motoring journalists for nearly killing them, when they pushed the cars beyond their own driving ability.

Personally, I find I have to really push mine to get the back out because I have big fat sticky Khumo's that grip all day long, even in the wet.

As for chasing the Starlets, well, they have serious mods obviously. A seriously modded 2 can be up and over 700BHP. Check out some of the vids of 2's on some of the threads here. There is a UK guy with a 700BHP Mr2 drag racking at Santa pod. He smokes EVERYTHING that takes him on, BIG TIME. Not only that, but the front lifts off the ground with nearly every gear change. You can do crazy shit with a 2. Some people have dropped 3L V6's in. You could also bang a GT3071R on to that....well, you get the point!

Snap oversteer BTW, is when you are going into a corner HARD and suddenly come off the throttle. That makes the car flick to the side, due to the lateral G-force V the RWD and weight loading on the back (pendulum effect) So you need to commit, or back off easy.

dan_ep82 wrote:
Oh,you might enjoy this
Its a 3sgte powered starlet build thread

www.toyotagtturbo.com/dynamics/showentry...?e=24962&catid=6

Yeah that was interesting. Nice one. Says 500WHP at the top of the thread though, and the dyno print out is showing 286, which is savage anyway, specially is such a light car.

SWAGGER wrote:
No, don't mean to worry you, it's how you drive it. I just want to make you aware that it is a different beast and needs a little respect is all. Its really how you drive it. You can bang around all day long with no problems, but if you get carried away without being used to RWD, and the pendulum effect of the mid mounted engine weight distribution, you can get caught out. If you are a decent pilot you will likely keep it under control and straighten it out, but a few people have good bangs for getting cocky.

I'm sure you will be fine. The snap oversteer was more common in the earlier models, Rev 1&2 (up to 94) but less common in the Rev 3+ (94 on) due to better handling. The earlier ones became notorious with motoring journalists for nearly killing them, when they pushed the cars beyond their own driving ability.

Personally, I find I have to really push mine to get the back out because I have big fat sticky Khumo's that grip all day long, even in the wet.

As for chasing the Starlets, well, they have serious mods obviously. A seriously modded 2 can be up and over 700BHP. Check out some of the vids of 2's on some of the threads here. There is a UK guy with a 700BHP Mr2 drag racking at Santa pod. He smokes EVERYTHING that takes him on, BIG TIME. Not only that, but the front lifts off the ground with nearly every gear change. You can do crazy shit with a 2. Some people have dropped 3L V6's in. You could also bang a GT3071R on to that....well, you get the point!

Snap oversteer BTW, is when you are going into a corner HARD and suddenly come off the throttle. That makes the car flick to the side, due to the lateral G-force V the RWD and weight loading on the back (pendulum effect) So you need to commit, or back off easy.

Whats the differences between the Rev1/2 and the 3?Interchangeable?
Well hopefully if i do get it ill change for some more JDM styled 16" wheels,and i usally run toyo T1R's or Eagle F1's

Haha,sounds mental alright,i take it its fully drag set up,radial slicks etc?

Ah i understand it now,that wouldnt be my style of driving,id be more of a steady pace through and hard out,couldnt do much else in the starlet,with no LSD and small brakes stop you really thrashing it into a corner like say a levin.

It'll be fun to get used to it though,been a while since i drove something im not used to

SWAGGER wrote:
dan_ep82 wrote:
Oh,you might enjoy this
Its a 3sgte powered starlet build thread

www.toyotagtturbo.com/dynamics/showentry...?e=24962&catid=6

Yeah that was interesting. Nice one. Says 500WHP at the top of the thread though, and the dyno print out is showing 286, which is savage anyway, specially is such a light car.
I think he's aiming for 500whp,whether he gets there or not is a different story,he's more a honda guy now lol

welcome Dan, enjoy the site. Good to hear your getting into an mr2. bit of a change from the starlet and levin. Keeping it in the family though so thats good

If you're interested in knowing what the power potentials are of the (MR2)3sgte then I would recommend reading this: www.mrcontrols.com/primers/power.htm

It's a good place to start before changing anything.

Welcome along buddy

If you want to have a look at some building threads there are quite a few (to varying levels of bhp) on mr2oc. Link to Project Cars

See ya soon

Quandry wrote:
If you're interested in knowing what the power potentials are of the (MR2)3sgte then I would recommend reading this: www.mrcontrols.com/primers/power.htm

It's a good place to start before changing anything.

That was a pretty good read cheers.

One point though,he said
"The notion that a CT-26 just puts out hot air above 15psi is nothing more than hot air. All turbos produce hot air and the higher the boost the hotter it is. Proper intercooling allows higher boost to be safely used regardless of which turbo is being used to produce it."
It mightn't be 15psi,i wouldnt know,but the CT26 would reach its peak flow on the 3SGTE,would anyone have a compressor map of the CT26?

Dan

dan_ep82 wrote:
@Spidey- 440WHP sounds a bit mental for standard figures alright,

That was "only" 440 fwhp - so, about 350whp ?

Spidey wrote:
dan_ep82 wrote:
@Spidey- 440WHP sounds a bit mental for standard figures alright,

That was "only" 440 fwhp - so, about 350whp ?
Ah,my mistake.
Thinks thats about right,maybe nearer 360WHP,but sure its only a calculation anyhow

Spanky wrote:
Welcome along buddy

If you want to have a look at some building threads there are quite a few (to varying levels of bhp) on mr2oc. Link to Project Cars

See ya soon

thanks,looking through it now

dan_ep82 wrote:
Quandry wrote:
If you're interested in knowing what the power potentials are of the (MR2)3sgte then I would recommend reading this: www.mrcontrols.com/primers/power.htm

It's a good place to start before changing anything.

That was a pretty good read cheers.

One point though,he said
"The notion that a CT-26 just puts out hot air above 15psi is nothing more than hot air. All turbos produce hot air and the higher the boost the hotter it is. Proper intercooling allows higher boost to be safely used regardless of which turbo is being used to produce it."
It mightn't be 15psi,i wouldnt know,but the CT26 would reach its peak flow on the 3SGTE,would anyone have a compressor map of the CT26?

Dan

On the same site, but a different page is a pretty in depth review of the CT26 and it's performance pros/cons: www.mrcontrols.com/primers/turbo.htm

Quandry wrote:
dan_ep82 wrote:
Quandry wrote:
If you're interested in knowing what the power potentials are of the (MR2)3sgte then I would recommend reading this: www.mrcontrols.com/primers/power.htm

It's a good place to start before changing anything.

That was a pretty good read cheers.

One point though,he said
"The notion that a CT-26 just puts out hot air above 15psi is nothing more than hot air. All turbos produce hot air and the higher the boost the hotter it is. Proper intercooling allows higher boost to be safely used regardless of which turbo is being used to produce it."
It mightn't be 15psi,i wouldnt know,but the CT26 would reach its peak flow on the 3SGTE,would anyone have a compressor map of the CT26?

Dan

On the same site, but a different page is a pretty in depth review of the CT26 and it's performance pros/cons: www.mrcontrols.com/primers/turbo.htm

Thanks for that,saved alot of googling
So roughly 16-17 psi is where it makes its peak,sustanable power
So the JDM turbo has ceramic turbine fins where as the UKDM doesnt and the turbine wheel is smaller,thats pretty dramatic change between UKDM and JDM.

Once again,thanks for all the info,appreciate it

The Gen2 3sgte (MKII Rev 1/2) have the CT26, The Gen3 3sgte (MKII Rev 3/4/5) has the CT20b which is a better design unit.

I would guess that there are more CT20b's in Ireland than CT26's. It's the reverse in the USA where the number of Gen2 engines far outweighs Gen3's.

Most people I know with CT20b's find them a very good turbo up to slightly over 300hp or thereabouts. After that it's time to go aftermarket turbo and better cooling/fuel/engine upgrades.

By the way KC+1 for the good intro/pics etc

Quandry wrote:
The Gen2 3sgte (MKII Rev 1/2) have the CT26, The Gen3 3sgte (MKII Rev 3/4/5) has the CT20b which is a better design unit.

I would guess that there are more CT20b's in Ireland than CT26's. It's the reverse in the USA where the number of Gen2 engines far outweighs Gen3's.

Most people I know with CT20b's find them a very good turbo up to slightly over 300hp or thereabouts. After that it's time to go aftermarket turbo and better cooling/fuel/engine upgrades.

By the way KC+1 for the good intro/pics etc

Thats good for me so haha,im sure i could source a ct20b and fit it if all i need is 2 longer water lines and to remove a stud:)

Cheers for the karma

Spanky wrote:
Welcome along buddy

If you want to have a look at some building threads there are quite a few (to varying levels of bhp) on mr2oc. Link to Project Cars

See ya soon

This one is EPIC...HOURS of reading, but what a handy guy with an engine. Major work, single handed in a small time frame...Jesus.....

www.mr2oc.co.uk/forums/125/118180.html